Talk:Installation: Difference between revisions

Revision as of 19:35, 12 July 2020

Focused users and edits

We are aware that wiki is not so complete but, last month wiki installation page are a crap ton of changes.. The wiki page tries to include so many information.. but it lacks of good structure, neither hav a good requirements page

So then I separated the requirements detailed to a new wiki page, https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Requirements, with all details and reduce significatively the installation page details to only RAM and SPACE storage..

Later added a section in https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_newbie_install_manual#Ways_to_install_Alpine_listed_by_architectures so then users that need different methods of install does not need to crap with over information the only wiki installation page.. (over information) I mean over sentences of "for this ARM flafour go to here and here and for this toy go to here"

Last then i reduced rest of info to improved independent pages of each one! Contributions must be focused in independent cases and listed in how to and tutorial wiki page .. so then i can check and later listed at new users tutorial pages.

All of this new pages will be improved in next days. Currently information was slpitted and improved to reduce the oversized installation page!

About changes and recent diff from SB1 June and July changes...

Checksum command is a extra optional info: first note are the checksum command to verify.. only takes in consideration linux (ovbiusly will be so "rare" if not) and win! there' is no more OS in the world? there's no MAC or FreeBSD? is clear Alpine need minimal linux knowledge so are nonsense try to catch win users without minimal linux knowledge.. specific pages for that must be done! not in main install pages!

Boot of external devices depends of each computer device so each wiki page cases of architecture installation must added its own information

also the use Sb1 erased/changed so many information and does not property posted in any other page .. (i mean setup alpine or similar) all the info was grouped and pasted in main installation page.. oversized the target of.. the good examples of wiki pages must be like: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:FAQ#What_is_the_difference_between_.27sys.27.2C_.27data.27.2C_and_.27diskless.27_when_running_.27setup-alpine.27_or_.27setup-disk.27.3F makes references to install page as further deep information available.. but this page as i said was changed significatively..

--mckaygerhard July 2020

Suggestions

About Installing Alpine on Compact Flash and Installing Alpine on USB, I think those two should be merged, steps are thesame. --K0gen 20:06, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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-== WIP: Streamline and concentrate all the essential info on the basic install page ==
+== Focused users and edits ==
-== Overview ==
+We are aware that wiki is not so complete but, last month wiki installation page are a crap ton of changes.. The wiki page tries to include so many information.. but it lacks of good structure, neither hav a good requirements page
-Similar to many other distributions, the first installation steps usually consist of
-# [http://alpinelinux.org/downloads Downloading] one of the latest stable-release ISOs, and comparing the image's <code>sha265sum</code> checksum to the one in the corresponding <code>*.sha256</code> checksum file () and verify its GPG signature.
-# Either [[Burning ISOs|burning the ISO onto a blank CD]] with your favorite CD burning software, or [[Create a Bootable USB|creating a bootable USB drive]].
-# Booting from the CD or USB drive, and logging in to the command line as user <code>root</code> with its initally empty password.
-(For installing on ARM systems, see [[Alpine_on_ARM|Alpine on ARM]].)
-However, contrary to most other distributions, the initially booted Alpinelinux (command line environment) is first copied entirely into RAM, and then runs completely independent from the (slow) initial boot media.
-And then, the <code>[[setup-alpine]]</code> script, and other tools, are used to configure this Alpinelinux system, install further packages, and prepare the system for the next boot.
-Alpinelinux can boot into three general run modes:
-'''diskless mode''' This is the default boot mode of the .iso images. With the <code>[[setup-alpine]]</code> selection "disk=none" the whole system runs from RAM. Customized configuration and package selections may still be preserved on permanent storage media with <code>lbu</code>, the "local backup tool", and by using a [[Alpine_Linux_package_management#Local_Cache|local package cache]].
-'''data mode''' This mode also runs mostly from RAM, with the exception of a selected writable partition that gets mounted as {{Path|/var}}. It is better-suited when large amounts of data need to be preserved between reboots, e.g. for mailspools, databases or log servers, and so on.
-'''sys mode''' This is a traditional hard-disk install. The <code>[[setup-alpine]]</code> script defaults to create three partitions on the selected disk, for {{Path|/boot}}, {{Path|/}}, and {{Path|swap}}. This mode may be used for [[Desktops|desktops]], development boxes, and virtual machines.
+So then '''I separated the requirements detailed''' to a new wiki page, https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Requirements, with all details and reduce significatively the installation page details to only RAM and SPACE storage..
+Later added a section in https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_newbie_install_manual#Ways_to_install_Alpine_listed_by_architectures so then '''users that need different methods of install does not need to crap''' with over information the only wiki installation page.. (over information) '''I mean over sentences of "for this ARM flafour go to here and here and for this toy go to here"'''
+'''Last then i reduced rest of info to improved independent pages of each one!'''
+Contributions must be focused in independent cases and listed in how to and tutorial wiki page .. so then i can check and later listed at new users tutorial pages.
+All of this new pages will be improved in next days. Currently information was slpitted and improved to reduce the oversized installation page!
+'''''About changes and recent diff from SB1 June and July changes..'''.''
+'''Checksum command is a extra optional info''': first note are the checksum command to verify.. only takes in consideration linux (ovbiusly will be so "rare" if not) and win! there' is no more OS in the world? there's no MAC or FreeBSD? is clear Alpine need minimal linux knowledge so are nonsense try to catch win users without minimal linux knowledge.. specific pages for that must be done! not in main install pages!
+'''Boot of external devices''' depends of each computer device so each wiki page cases of architecture installation must added its own information
+'''also the use Sb1 erased/changed so many information''' and does not property posted in any other page .. (i mean setup alpine or similar) all the info was grouped and pasted in main installation page.. oversized the target of.. the good examples of wiki pages must be like:  https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:FAQ#What_is_the_difference_between_.27sys.27.2C_.27data.27.2C_and_.27diskless.27_when_running_.27setup-alpine.27_or_.27setup-disk.27.3F makes references to install page as further deep information available.. but this page as i said was changed significatively..
+--[[User:mckaygerhard|mckaygerhard]] July 2020
 == Suggestions ==
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 About [[Installing Alpine on Compact Flash]] and [[Installing Alpine on USB]], I think those two should be merged, steps are thesame.
 --[[User:K0gen|K0gen]] 20:06, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
-== Booting from ISO ==
-::::: I've given up. Couldn't make the intended setup work with my meager Linux knowledge. I did find a page here at the wiki where under the heading '[http://www.alpinelinux.org/w/index.php?title=Replacing_non-Alpine_Linux_with_Alpine_remotely Install Alpine cd-rom image on hard disk]' a somewhat related solution is provided, but it involves extracting the distro files from the iso, something that [http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ unetbootin] does in a rather more easy and straightforward way -- at least, that's what I used to get Alpine to boot from a USB pendrive (plenty of recipes for that around). However, I still believe a simple 'boot from iso' procedure could do wonders for Alpine, so I'm leaving this here for future reference. Should anyone disagree, do feel free to delete. [[User:Pnin|Pnin]] 05:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
-Current system is a 2.8 Prescott Pentium IV with 2MB RAM, booting from a 1GB CF plugged into the IDE controller, with an attached 500GB SATA HDD for data. When I tried to install Alpine from the LiveCD to this card, which is listed as a hard drive by the BIOS, it complained of insufficient space. Fair enough. Next I tried to follow [http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-via-grub2-using-linux/ this recipe] to boot from Alpine 2.1.4 iso; at the end you find this tip:
-:''Adding an Unlisted ISO: To try ISO Files that are not yet listed, use the existing menuentry examples in /boot/grub/grub.cfg and append any options normally found in the distributions syslinux.cfg file on the "append" line to the "linux" line of the menu entry.''
-So I downloaded the latest Alpine iso via wget and modified the relevant ''grub.cfg'' lines to:
- linux (loop)/boot/grsec initrd=/boot/grsec.gz iso-scan/filename=/alpine214.iso alpine_dev=usbdisk:vfat modules=loop,cramfs,sd-mod,usb-storage quiet
- initrd (loop)/boot/grsec.gz
-All I got when I tried to boot this was the following error:
- '''Alpine Init 2.1.2'''
- '''/init: eval: line 1: syntax error: unexpected "("'''
- '''kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!'''
- '''Pid: 1, comm: init Not tainted 2.6.35.10-grsec #1-Alpine'''
- [...]
-I must say all went well with the Linux Mint 10.10 and the TinyCore isos, into which I'm able to boot with no issues. Anyone care to advise?
-[[User:Pnin|Pnin]]
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-Hi, that "linux (loop)/boot/...." thing looks funny to me.
-According to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
-Could you try:
- set root=(loop0)
- linux /boot/grsec initrd=/boot/grsec.gz iso-scan/filename=/alpine214.iso alpine_dev=usbdisk:vfat modules=loop,cramfs,sd-mod,usb-storage quiet
- initrd /boot/grsec.gz
-[[User:Nangel|Nangel]] 13:49, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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-Hi & thanks, Nangel.
-Tried that and got this error:
- error: no such disk.
- error: you need to load the kernel first.
- press any key to continue...
-Pressing any key returns to the grub menu. Maybe the full ''grub.cfg'' entry should be reported here:
- menuentry "Alpine Linux" {
- loopback loop /alpine214.iso
- linux (loop)/boot/grsec initrd=/boot/grsec.gz iso-scan/filename=/alpine214.iso alpine_dev=usbdisk:vfat modules=loop,cramfs,sd-mod,usb-storage quiet
- initrd (loop)/boot/grsec.gz
- }
-It should also be noted that the LiveCD used to perform the [http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-via-grub2-using-linux/ recipe] was "Linux Mint 9 LXDE", which caused Grub 1.98-1ubuntu5-1mint2 to be installed, not Grub2. And that (loop) part is present in every other successful menu entry.
-[EDIT: Just to add that IMHO coupled with the [http://www.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_local_backup Alpine Local Backup Utility] (lbu), booting from iso would be a killer for Alpine, making systems really easy to troubleshoot (delete local backup) and upgrade (replace iso).]
-[[User:Pnin|Pnin]] 14:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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